. >> joining me now, eliot cohen, former counselor at the state department under condoleezza rice. perhaps you can tell by that, a republican, a conservative, also a never trumper. mr. cohen, essential is it to have foreign policy pretend that the president's pronouncements don't exist or to have various members of his cabinet explicitly rebutting them all the time? >> well, it's not tenable. there are a number of problems. if people get used to the idea that you can't believe a word that he says, there are real consequences to that. the other problem that you've got, an awful lot of the effort now of his national security team, secretary mattis, secretary tillerson and so on, is devoted to cleaning up messes. and when you're cleaning up messes, you're not able to take the initiative of taking a wide range of issues that we're facing in the years ahead. >> you said this, which i keep thinking about this quote. i've been in this town for 26 years. i've never seen anything like this, referring to the president. i don't think this is a mentally healthy president. what did you mean by